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LUMP SUM OR THE ANNUITY: Here’s which one to choose if you win the lottery

We’ve taken a look into the point at which you should actually care about the Powerball lottery, factoring in the relationship between participation and jackpot size. But what happens when you actually win?

Normally the answer appears to be “take all the money up front immediately and subsequently squander every available penny on frivolous crap.”

But what if someone won the lottery and then tried to handle it as rationally as possible?

We spoke to several financial advisers about how they would advise a client who came to them after hitting the jackpot.

The key question we wanted to know is whether a winner should take the all the cash up front or whether one should take the annuity, which consists of more money spaced out over several years.

But first, before we answer that we need to acknowledge the elephant in the room, which is the impact of taxes. We spoke to Clarence Kehoe, a partner at Anchin, Block & Anchin who chairs their tax department.

Clearly, Uncle Sam is going to want a healthy chunk of those winnings.

“Given the significant size of this lottery prize,” Kehoe told Business Insider in an email, “the recipient will be in the maximum income tax bracket on their receipts no matter if they take a lump sum or take an annuity over 30 years.”

So the multimillion-dollar question is what that top tax bracket will do over the next couple of years. The maximum federal income tax rate for 2016 is 39.6%. “As we know tax rates are always changing,” he said. “If you take a lump sum you are looking at a 39.6% rate. If you take an annuity over the next 30 years the rates will probably be very different when you receive each payment.”

So people who expect that the top tax rate will decrease over time — or that the Flat Tax crowd will win — should take that annuity. People who think the tax rate will increase over time should take the lump sum, to get everything out of the way sooner.

Still, the federal taxation is only part of it. Which state you live in also makes a difference, whether it’s high-income tax New York or no-income tax Florida.

“We don’t suggest that readers change their state of residency in anticipation of the possibility of winning the lottery,” Kehoe advised. “Also it is pretty much impossible to change your state of residency on the day you win the lottery.”

So why not take the annuity and kick it to Florida?

Well, Kehoe said you’re still pretty much screwed.

“Some (but not all) states have a rule that when you move out, if you have income that was earned as a resident you will have to pay tax on it even if you move to another low or no income tax state. So the planning idea doesn’t always work – it depends upon your current state of residency. New York is one of those states which taxes ‘accrued’ but not yet paid income.”

So these things — where you live now, where you live eventually, and potential fluctuations in the federal tax rate — all impact whether you should take the lump sum or the annuity.

Interestingly enough, provided that the top tax rate doesn’t change over the next thirty years, there isn’t much difference in the effective tax rate you’ll pay on all those winnings.

So the first $400,000 annually is covered under the various steps of our progressive tax curve up to the top rate. Long story short, someone who makes precisely $400,000 per year will pay (pre-deductions) $115,505.75 in federal taxes, a 28.9% effective tax rate, leaving them $284,494.25. So anything over that is taxed at the 39.5% rate.

Ok, now you’re our lucky Powerball winner; you have one of two options.

You can take the cash up front. This is a $930 million check. After paying federal taxes on it, you’d have $697.5 million left. Not bad.

You could also take the annuity, which pays $1.5 billion over 30 years with an increasing annuity, and pay the top rate every year for the next thirty.

I’m assuming that you’re a single person with no dependents, mostly because I am a single person with no dependents and I plan to refer back to this spreadsheet when I eventually win the lottery.

So that’s the taxes.

So how does this knowledge impact whether we should take the annuity or the lump sum?

We spoke to an adviser at a boutique financial advising firm in the Midwest.

Despite his outstanding analysis, he asked that we not use his name to avoid a mess with the compliance department.

I first started out with the lump sum amount of $223,600,000. After taxes of 40% (technically 39.6% top federal but I rounded up), you get a starting lump sum amount of $134,160,000. Now let’s look at the “annuity option.” Lets say you take the $7,132,040 payment in the first year. After taxes (40%) , you net yourself $4,279,224. You’ll also notice on the schedule of payments it increases per year by exactly 4%. Based on those constants, let’s dive into the numbers for a side-by-side:

  • At a 5% before-tax return and based on 40% tax rate, $134,160,00 grows to $325,641,533 after 30 years
  • $4,279,224 per year (and increased 4% each year) at a 5% before-tax return for 30 years equates to $359,719,738 (take the annuity option)
  • At a 6% before-tax return, the lump sum of $134,160,000 grows to $387,628,510
  • $4,279,224 per year (increased 4% each year) at same 6% before tax return grows to $392,452,822 (still best to take annuity option)
  • At a 7% before tax return, the lump sum grows to $460,950,848 (best to now take the lump sum)
  • $4,279,224 annuity payment grows to $429,021,824

So this leads us to an interesting point.

Whether you should take the annuity or the lump sum depends entirely on what kind of return you can realistically achieve.

We took a somewhat deeper look at this, looking at various rates of returns for investments of either the lump sum or the annuity over 30 years at rates of return between 0% and 10%.

This chart shows what happens when you invest your winnings. For the lump sum (green lines) you invest all of the winnings — $135.1 million after initial taxes — at once. For the annuity (red lines), you invest the annual post-tax winnings once you receive them each year.

According to our research, if you invest it all and if you can obtain an annual return of more than between 3 and 4%, the lump sum makes sense over the annuity, 30 years down the line.

Still, winning the lottery and not spending any of the money for 30 years sounds super boring.

What if you took an annual allowance of $1,000,000 worth of walking-around money every year?

Here’s what your nest egg would look like in that event at the end of 30 years:

This is actually pretty interesting. As we figured out before the lottery, it really only makes sense to play provided that you take the annuity, according to the expected value. Factoring in investment, though, it only makes sense to take the lump sum if you think you can get an altogether reasonable rate of return.

This post was originally written by Walter Hickey.

What happens when you actually win?

A girl bought her first lottery ticket on her 18th birthday — and won $1,000 a week for life

Charlie Lagarde won’t forget her 18th birthday anytime soon.

When the teenager popped into a Québec convenience store to buy a celebratory bottle of bubbly and a lottery ticket, she had no idea that she would walk away with the grand prize of $1,000 Canadian dollars ($775 US dollars) a week — for the rest of her life.

According to HuffPost, Lagarde bought a bottle of champagne and a scratch-off ticket at the store. She scratched the ticket once she was back home and realized she had won the grand prize with the first lottery ticket she ever bought, Brian LeCompte, a representative from Loto-Québec, told INSIDER. Lagarde is not giving interviews at this time.

LeCompte added that Lagarde bought the ticket for $4 Canadian dollars, and her chances of winning were one in 6 million.

“She rushed to tell her family the news; everyone was overjoyed by this stroke of luck,” he told INSIDER.

“To celebrate her 18th birthday, she bought her first lottery ticket and. won the grand prize! Charlie will receive $1,000 per week for the rest of her days!” Loto-Québec tweeted on March 26.

Lagarde then had a difficult choice to make: receive weekly payments of $1,000 for life or a lump sum of $1 million ($780,000 US dollars).

“She decided to think it over for a few weeks before choosing between the weekly income and the lump sum,” LeCompte said. “She ended up opting for the former.”

“It’s without taxes so it’s equivalent to a salary of more than $100,000 a year, so it’s a great start in life for that young lady,” lottery spokesman Patrice Lavoie told People.

Douglas Boneparth, certified financial planner and president of Bone Fide Wealth , said that although taking the lump sum would most likely be more lucrative, Lagarde probably made the right decision when it came to how she would collect her winnings.

“This might have been appropriate for her, and I say that because it really comes down to how disciplined and how understanding of personal finances you are,” Boneparth told INSIDER.

Most 18-year-olds are not financially disciplined enough to make prudent decisions on their own with that money, he said.

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The choice between a lump sum and weekly payments ultimately comes down to what would be more prudent financially versus what would make the most sense for a particular individual, Boneparth said.

He said this issue often comes up with pension payouts.

“Take my mom, for example,” he said. “[She] feels more secure knowing there’s a steady stream of income than getting that lump sum.”

That could be the case for Lagarde, he said.

The next step for the young winner is to figure out what her goals are because there are many ways she could spend her newfound income, Boneparth said.

“If she wants to start a business — and $1,000 a week is great money to make that happen — then she can take the risk of starting a business,” he said.

Or maybe it can help her afford a better apartment, he added.

“It’s very hard to say what she should do, but it’s easy to say now is the time to figure out what are your goals and how can this money help you achieve those goals,” Boneparth said.

Boneparth said he hopes Lagarde is aware that this money can have a significant impact on her life.

“This is an opportunity to better one’s life, and if used constructively, it could really turn into something amazing,” he said. “At the very least, it can help deal with the day-to-day expenses. Sounds like this person has $4,000 a month to not have to worry about. It’s pretty cool. There are a lot of people in this world that are raising multiple kids on that kind of money.”

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Canadian teenager Charlie Lagarde got quite the 18th birthday present when she scratched off a lottery ticket to discover she had won $1,000 a week for life. ]]>