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Is eve pay to win

Sorry for necropost.

My definition of pay2win : Being able to get any advantage whatsoever with the use of money.

This advantage doesn’t need to be exclusive to “paying”, it can be anything from giving you more in-game currency, increasing leveling speed or granting any items (even those that can be acquired by playing) etc .

With this definition is mind, EVE online is indeed PAY2WIN.

Now here comes the fanboys claiming that even by my definition, it’s not a pay2win game because :

1. The number of Isk/Ships you have do not matter, only the skill level of the player!

Ok, please explain what happens if two players or corporations of the same skill/training level have a war of attrition and one has access to infinite ships/funds/implants and the other does not.

2. Even if you buy all the best stuff, it will take you months/years to be able to use them!

Except if someone has already been playing for months/years and already has access to those ships. Hes only buying them so he can keep griefing noobs in the starter zone. Also Isk can be used to buy Implants, which DRAMATICALLY decrease training times and are lost on death. (and dying you will a lot since you’re gonna be ganked the second you leave high sec)

3. Having isk/ships is pointless if you do not have a corporation!

Ok then create your own corporation and bribe every competent player in the universe, you have access to infinite isk after all. If you’re a noob and don’t want/know how to run a corp, just join a successful one.

I could go on but I won’t cause I shouldnt even bothered to write this much. I will conclude by linking this thing : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277

You can now buy characters from the OFFICIAL forums.

Thank you for reading.

That’s great and all, but your definition is objectively incorrect, as it is not the definition adopted by the entire industry and its various communities. It is, in effect, a mere opinion.

And by the way, you could always buy characters from other players.

and dying you will a lot since you’re gonna be ganked the second you leave high sec

Only if you suck which, gasp, can be fixed without throwing money at the game.

The game is veterancy to win. Think McDojos with subscriptions, where you must have subscribed for 3 years to get your black belt, or, depending on how cynical you are, undergraduate education.

The game favors veteran subscribers more greatly than other MMORPGs due to its time-based progression mechanic.

The only people you will be competing against successfully if you start now is other people who start now, i.e. the vast minority.

The only people you will be competing against successfully if you start now is other people who start now, i.e. the vast minority.

This isn’t actually the case. The reality is that regardless of when they start, about 75% of the player base is composed of completely terrible, ineffectual, pve-focused players, and if you’re at all interested in pvp combat and other competitive game elements, it’s possible to destroy these players by virtue of aggressiveness and sheer desire alone.

Will you, as a new player, be able to stand up to an old pirate, or any other sort of experienced pvp combatant by yourself? No, for a while at least, which is expected of any sort of competitive experience. But that doesn’t stop you from joining groups of such players, where your own lack of skill and knowledge will be diluted in the overall group dynamic, even when you’re engaging other experienced players and groups. By your second or third month in the game, you can be a powerful, critical member of a team, but you have to be motivated, and have the desire and capacity to listen to others and learn quickly.

u can use real life money to buy plex and pay for all the ships and mods u want. and have a super powered character with a faction ship with all the mods in the world.

but u cant buy skill, the one thing u can only get by playing and learning the game

The only people you will be competing against successfully if you start now is other people who start now, i.e. the vast minority.

This isn’t actually the case. The reality is that regardless of when they start, about 75% of the player base is composed of completely terrible, ineffectual, pve-focused players, and if you’re at all interested in pvp combat and other competitive game elements, it’s possible to destroy these players by virtue of aggressiveness and sheer desire alone.

Will you, as a new player, be able to stand up to an old pirate, or any other sort of experienced pvp combatant by yourself? No, for a while at least, which is expected of any sort of competitive experience. But that doesn’t stop you from joining groups of such players, where your own lack of skill and knowledge will be diluted in the overall group dynamic, even when you’re engaging other experienced players and groups. By your second or third month in the game, you can be a powerful, critical member of a team, but you have to be motivated, and have the desire and capacity to listen to others and learn quickly.

I agree in about a month you can get the basics for a pvp frigate that will scare many older pve players, in a few months you can get one on par with other pvpers. Only part that takes ages is getting to the point you can drive a bad ass battleship or larger. A good battleship skillset alone will take you well over 6 months, but a frigate 2 months is enough to get good at it. Right now I got 34 days and I will have all the core skills to fly covert ops frigates, assualt frigates and heavy assualt crusers. After that its under 30 or so days to get the frigate weapon skills up, including the base for that type in my case missles so I can do 9-12 days to learn heavy missles to t2, and in a pinch I can use light missiles on a cruiser since it has its own medium light missile launcher, and I can use heavies on a battle Cruiser, and even a battleship since there is a heavy launcher for large slots as well.

Key thing is getting those cores out of the way you do that, like get the luancher skill, bomberdment, warhead upgrades etc out of the way with your frigate grade skills like light missiles, and you pave the way for much faster learning of the next tier of things, plus start off with those skills boasting your rather weak t1 weapons till you unlock the t2 versions. And getting the key core skills like electronics upgrades, capaciter skills, etc takes more time, but yet again you can open up assualt frigates, covert ops, assualt cruisers, and you really want those for the battleships to help fit them out better. Same with your tanking skills, getting the sheild or armor tank skills out of the way with your frigate flying days seems annoying but makes it so you spend less isk on replacing your bigger ships who really need those defensive skills.

Sorry for necropost.

My definition of pay2win : Being able to get any advantage whatsoever with the use of money.

This advantage doesn’t need to be exclusive to “paying”, it can be anything from giving you more in-game currency, increasing leveling speed or granting any items (even those that can be acquired by playing) etc .

With this definition is mind, EVE online is indeed PAY2WIN.

Now here comes the fanboys claiming that even by my definition, it’s not a pay2win game because :

1. The number of Isk/Ships you have do not matter, only the skill level of the player!

Ok, please explain what happens if two players or corporations of the same skill/training level have a war of attrition and one has access to infinite ships/funds/implants and the other does not.

2. Even if you buy all the best stuff, it will take you months/years to be able to use them!

Except if someone has already been playing for months/years and already has access to those ships. Hes only buying them so he can keep griefing noobs in the starter zone. Also Isk can be used to buy Implants, which DRAMATICALLY decrease training times and are lost on death. (and dying you will a lot since you’re gonna be ganked the second you leave high sec)

3. Having isk/ships is pointless if you do not have a corporation!

Ok then create your own corporation and bribe every competent player in the universe, you have access to infinite isk after all. If you’re a noob and don’t want/know how to run a corp, just join a successful one.

I could go on but I won’t cause I shouldnt even bothered to write this much. I will conclude by linking this thing : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277

You can now buy characters from the OFFICIAL forums.

Thank you for reading.

Here is the dumb shiny kiddo at work. You can’t use any of the expensive ♥♥♥♥ with out months of grinding out skills. So yeah if you turn your account on and set up skill learning then never touch it for 6 months ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ will you need to buy plex to play. But if you play even a little bit for 6 months while you learn all that ♥♥♥♥ you can afford it. I mean ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mining alone I can make millions of isk an hour, yeah it adds what 2 weeks tops of training to learn that. But I can pick a spot in highsec, watch netflix for a couple hours and have enought to buy anything I can fly with 5 months of skill training. Once you hit the big boy stuff, if your not a silly casual shiny gamer you can make the isk, yo ushould be able to run t3s solo by the time you needing 100 million or more of isk to outfit a single ship and they your making as much money as a miner if not more from doing missions, plus you can sell stuff from the loyalty store to make more money or buy for yourself and save millions of isk.

And your number 3 no really says that you can billions and still be in the newb one, and creat your own. And your a retard if you start bribing kiddo ever single merc in highsec will be war decking you for a hand out, word travels fast when your rich and willing to pay off people. Trust me I saw first corp do that for one merc group, and they sprouted up like weeds after that expecting to be paid off like the last group to end the war. Just like if you buy a POS they can ransome you becuase your solo, by threating to destroy it if you don’t pay up.

Trust me I know an exgoon kiddos like you who think money will fix everything are big targets, meanwhile they make more money not from ransome or pirating but from production, and resources. Groups like goonswarm got rich from controlling moons, just like I know high sec carebears who started off mining and now make so much isk from their POS alt corp they got hidden away, they can pay for multiple accounts using just isk.

Is eve pay to win Sorry for necropost. My definition of pay2win : Being able to get any advantage whatsoever with the use of money. This advantage doesn’t need to be exclusive to “paying”,

This is Abuse, and ccp has made eve pay to win. Players should be outraged and know about these issues

Video Game Master
Apr 22, 2019 · 3 min read

I am a long standing player of eve. I started my adventure in eve back in 2003. I have been parts of many alliances in eve, most in many different coalitions.

I started an alt account a few weeks back. My objective this time around was not to get sucked into nullsec space politics.

I formed a high sec alliance a few months ago, with the objective of healing eve, and creating a good, supportive environment for new players, something like a mix between cva and eve-uni in high sec.

Mean while , I am here advocating for change on the forums, being abused by members of the community, due to my positions of advocating for removal of non-consensual pvp in eve.

As a result of those positions, some of the members of the community followed me into game, and started attacking assets, that a group of happy, proud miners had just accomplished completing.

In plasma drive, we have many orca’s, and so it was fitting that we’d name our first station sea world. It was part of our culture to name our members orca’s, our friends dolphins, or enemies sharks (or seagulls), spies were cleverly named “mimic octopus’s” (if they were good spies) or “spy clams” (if they were bad spies).

A war dec was brought about against our first station, known as “sea world”, with a letter following to the alliance shortly after called “seagulls are trying to ■■■■ on sea world”.

a few days ago i received a war dec, and a demand to pay “3 billion, or the station dies”. I dont give way to extortion or intimidation tactics.

We decided to make a stand, we sought the military help of two entities in game, and later, a third entity that was lead by a friend of one of my corp members helped (who is a strong advocate against my positions on the forums put aside their personal feelings for me, and proved superior character) by leading a hand against this abuse.

There is no way an industrial alliance, who wants to mine and enjoy each other, will eve accomplish defeating this fleet (below) with brand new 2018–2019 toons who clearly injected to success (paid to win).

Mean while, the nullsec entities sit with all the supers, and all their power supporting, and being part of organizations like this, because it is “niche game”.

Is this the type of game you really want to have? Change it, or may the creator curse this project, and bring about its destruction swiftly, and with it, your company. I evoke his might, and power, for this judgement upon you all.

You are not worthy of this game, and are not worthy to work in the industry if this is the type of game play you will allow, while peddling it is good.

Iv said my peace on this topic now on the forums. If you players out there want to support change against this type of actions, rally behind me, i am running for csm, and i will fight with all my strength to stop this abuse. Something has to serve you, and do what is right for you, for us, and for ccp’s future, and the future of a game we all love.

My posts will conclude here on these forums as of this point i will be taking my positions to my development block that has a fairly large backing, and my criticism of eve, and ccp will become publicly related. With any hope, i will force the change, or bring about the end of this game, and its company.

I am a long standing player of eve. I started my adventure in eve back in 2003. I have been parts of many alliances in eve, most in many different coalitions. I started an alt account a few weeks… ]]>